Why bother with Doctrine anyway?
Paul told Tim to guard his life and his doctrine well as it will save both himself and others. I believe also that I should share what I have learnt for the edification of believers.
Here are some verses which we must keep in mind which looking at doctrine and our lives:
We must work out our salvation with much fear and trembling. Philip 2:12
Paul stated: If I desire the praises of men, I can not be a servant of Christ. Gal 1:10 We All should be servants of Christ and no more.
Jesus said: That which you do to the least in my kingdom, you have done unto me.
Also, a little yeast (sin) works its ways though the whole batch. and from Numbers: Make sure that your sin finds you out.
We have to be on guard for people preaching a different gospel Gal
We must walk in Love and the Truth. We must Test all things. In doing so, we must use the scriptures to do so. As we are under the New Covenant (ie. New Testament see Jer 31:31) that is what must be used. If God wanted us to be under the Old Covenant He would Not have given us the New Covenant in Jesus's Blood. In this case, Old means replaced by the New. Heb: the Old Covenant is now OBSOLETE.
We now have new rules on giving. See Hebrews 7:12, Paul says where there is a change in the Priesthood there must be a change in the Law.---Jesus was from the tribe of Judah not Levite and is our High Priest ...
We are NOW under the Law of Christ VERSE the Law of Moses -Paul
The Apostle Paul was the leading teacher that the Gentile were NOT to be put under the Law of Moses. As they say, History does repeat itself. (Acts 15, Galatians).
Heb 7:5 You Levites collect tithes under the Law (of Moses).
You can not use the rules of the Old Covenant to justify tithing.
The Old Covenant is known as the Jewish Law and you do NOT EVER to be under the Law as if you want to keep one part of the Law you have to keep ALL of it or you will be under a curse. see Deut
27
but ...Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law and became a curse for us as it is written ... Cursed is he who is hung on a tree.
OLD COVENANT - UNDER THE LAW not applicable to Gentiles or Jews any more. Sometimes called the Law of Moses ..Now Obsolete
NEW COVENANT - UNDER GRACE current for Jews an d Gentiles - 1 Cor 9:21 Under the law towards Christ (but not the Jewish Law Acts 15:28)
Rom 6:14 You are not under law but grace. ie the Law of Christ
The scriptures are the Truth.
Protestant = those that Pro-test
We pro-test because of doctrines made by men and not by God (found in the Bible) from the Church of Rome. These false doctrines can lead to the loss of your salvation and
Jesus warned us:
"In vain do you worship me, taking as doctrine the commandments of men.
When Constantine, the Emperor of Rome around 318 AD took over the "Christian Church" he did the unthinkable. He ignored the second commandment (see Exodus 20 - ie do not make any images) and replaced the existing images that the Romans worshipped with Jesus, Mary, etc.
This makes that Church a PAGAN CHURCH and NOT a Christian Church.
Considering that the Great I AM gave Moses these Laws in the first place they are not following the teachings of Jesus.
Jesus in the Gospel of John said that He was the I am.
Constantine was a Pagan worshipper and never a Christian.
Any doctrine after about 500 AD from this group of people is most likely wrong.
Before that time, is the doctrine that we basically follow: ie what Augustine taught except the above and calling people priests and fathers. That is forbidden.
Here is an example: Around 496 AD Pope Gelinas 1 said speaking excathedrally ie from God concerning the Lord's supper, you must take both the wine and the bread or you take nothing. We agree with that however the group called the Schoolmen changed all of that and the cup is withheld from the people and they added a whole lot more false teachings.
This is important, there is only one intercessor between God and Man and that is Jesus.
Jesus is the MEDIATOR of the New Covenant Heb 8
Therefore we pray only to Jesus and to no one else. Why even think of praying to anyone else when you can pray to the TOP.
Jesus warned us:
"In vain do you worship me, taking as doctrine the commandments of men.
When Constantine, the Emperor of Rome around 318 AD took over the "Christian Church" he did the unthinkable. He ignored the second commandment (see Exodus 20 - ie do not make any images) and replaced the existing images that the Romans worshipped with Jesus, Mary, etc.
This makes that Church a PAGAN CHURCH and NOT a Christian Church.
Considering that the Great I AM gave Moses these Laws in the first place they are not following the teachings of Jesus.
Jesus in the Gospel of John said that He was the I am.
Constantine was a Pagan worshipper and never a Christian.
Any doctrine after about 500 AD from this group of people is most likely wrong.
Before that time, is the doctrine that we basically follow: ie what Augustine taught except the above and calling people priests and fathers. That is forbidden.
Here is an example: Around 496 AD Pope Gelinas 1 said speaking excathedrally ie from God concerning the Lord's supper, you must take both the wine and the bread or you take nothing. We agree with that however the group called the Schoolmen changed all of that and the cup is withheld from the people and they added a whole lot more false teachings.
This is important, there is only one intercessor between God and Man and that is Jesus.
Jesus is the MEDIATOR of the New Covenant Heb 8
Therefore we pray only to Jesus and to no one else. Why even think of praying to anyone else when you can pray to the TOP.
It should be of no surprise to anyone where this false doctrine came from and when....
Where did Tithing originate in the New Covenant?
While the New Testament contains no explicit command to tithe, many have argued that this relationship between the Levites and the other tribes of Israel prefigures how Christians should provide for their ministers. This view of tithing, known as parallelism, gained prominence in the church around the sixth century.
Many non-Jewish and pre-Christian societies also practiced tithing-like giving. Some ancient sources describe how kings imposed a type of first-fruits tax to maintain holy shrines and support clergy. From Nebuchadnezzar's Babylonia to the temples of Apollo in Delphi and Athena in Athens, pre-Christian centers of worship collected tithes for their gods. Ancient cultures as disparate as the Greeks and Chinese—including the Arabians, Phoenicians, Romans, and Carthaginians—gave in ways mirroring the tithe. Some scholars believe ancient cultures hit on the seemingly arbitrary figure of one-tenth because they often did calculations on their fingers.The early church's views on tithing foreshadowed many of today's stewardship debates. The Eastern Church began tithing out of obligation because they believed Jesus' conversation with the rich young man demanded sacrificial generosity. Clement of Alexandria and Irenaeus pleaded with the church to surpass even the Old Testament tithe since Christ had freed them from the Law.
Later church fathers—John Chrysostom, Cyprian, Origen, and Augustine among them—complained from time to time that their followers lacked Christian charity. Chrysostom even shamed his stingy church for marveling at those who tithed. He contrasted their amazement with the dutiful giving of Old Testament Jews.
The early church's expectation that every Christian would tithe found formal expression at the Synod of Mâçon in 585, which embedded the practice in canon law. A millennium later, the Council of Trent sharpened this law's teeth: it provided for excommunication if any Catholic declined to contribute his tithe. This, despite the stain in the Church's monetary record that Luther had so recently uncovered in his critique of papal indulgences.
Post-Reformation Europe, however, didn't do much better: in the centuries after Luther, secular governments often acted on behalf of the churches by collecting mandatory tithes. These more closely resembled American property taxes than Jewish monetary offerings.
Without a state-imposed tithe, giving in the United States developed quite differently than in Europe. American church leaders have often emphasized the New Testament's command to give freely and cheerfully, which some leaders have cited to advocate giving less or even more than ten percent. As a result, tithing has been practiced only sporadically in the modern church, though some revival has been seen in recent decades among Baptists and elements of the Wesleyan holiness movement and Pentecostalism.
Many non-Jewish and pre-Christian societies also practiced tithing-like giving. Some ancient sources describe how kings imposed a type of first-fruits tax to maintain holy shrines and support clergy. From Nebuchadnezzar's Babylonia to the temples of Apollo in Delphi and Athena in Athens, pre-Christian centers of worship collected tithes for their gods. Ancient cultures as disparate as the Greeks and Chinese—including the Arabians, Phoenicians, Romans, and Carthaginians—gave in ways mirroring the tithe. Some scholars believe ancient cultures hit on the seemingly arbitrary figure of one-tenth because they often did calculations on their fingers.The early church's views on tithing foreshadowed many of today's stewardship debates. The Eastern Church began tithing out of obligation because they believed Jesus' conversation with the rich young man demanded sacrificial generosity. Clement of Alexandria and Irenaeus pleaded with the church to surpass even the Old Testament tithe since Christ had freed them from the Law.
Later church fathers—John Chrysostom, Cyprian, Origen, and Augustine among them—complained from time to time that their followers lacked Christian charity. Chrysostom even shamed his stingy church for marveling at those who tithed. He contrasted their amazement with the dutiful giving of Old Testament Jews.
The early church's expectation that every Christian would tithe found formal expression at the Synod of Mâçon in 585, which embedded the practice in canon law. A millennium later, the Council of Trent sharpened this law's teeth: it provided for excommunication if any Catholic declined to contribute his tithe. This, despite the stain in the Church's monetary record that Luther had so recently uncovered in his critique of papal indulgences.
Post-Reformation Europe, however, didn't do much better: in the centuries after Luther, secular governments often acted on behalf of the churches by collecting mandatory tithes. These more closely resembled American property taxes than Jewish monetary offerings.
Without a state-imposed tithe, giving in the United States developed quite differently than in Europe. American church leaders have often emphasized the New Testament's command to give freely and cheerfully, which some leaders have cited to advocate giving less or even more than ten percent. As a result, tithing has been practiced only sporadically in the modern church, though some revival has been seen in recent decades among Baptists and elements of the Wesleyan holiness movement and Pentecostalism.
The New Priesthood
Jesus is the new High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek Heb
We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit Cor
We are a Holy Nation, a Royal Priesthood Peter
The Levites did not pay tithes. Tithes were collected from the people for them.
Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, NOT Levi
Therefore WE are the new Priesthood.
Therefore WE are the new Priesthood.
Thus where there is a Change in the Priesthood there must be a Change in the Law Heb 7
Thus we are under new rules when giving. This nullifies the use of the Old Covenant. We are now under the Law of Christ - Paul Gal 6:2 VERSE being under the Law of Moses
Fundamentals that Must be used when examining this doctrine:
1. We are under Grace and Not under the Law Eph, Rom 6:14, ect We are under the Law of Christ2. We are under the New Covenant and Not the Old Covenant, thus only the New Testament or the New Covenant scriptures are to be used. The Law changed because the Priesthood changed.
3. We operate in the spirit by faith and again are not under the Law. Rom 8, Rom 6:14
4. The Doctrine of Justification by Faith to be used as a test criteria. If we assume that tithing is correct and it violates this fundamental Doctrine then it proves that tithing is NOT correct. In doing so it is clearly SIN as if it is NOT by faith it is SIN. Rom 14:23 Rom 1 and all of Romans and most of what Paul wrote. The just shall live by faith Rom 1:17 we give according to our abilities and including self denial which is a very important commandment from Jesus
5. Tithing was used in the Old Covenant to support the very large Levitical Priesthood. (see Heb 7:5).
You Levites collect tithes under the Law. Today the Christian believers are the Temple of the Holy Spirit and we are the Royal Priesthood. Different Priesthood = Different Law
This is important: Telling people that they MUST Tithe puts them under the Law of Moses
6. The Apostle Paul and others never mentioned tithing in the New Covenant. Paul was the most knowledgeable person on the Law. Neither is it mentioned in the Reformation Church doctrine.
7. The results of the Council of Jerusalem Acts 15: Gentiles are not under the Law and we must remember the poor.
8. Tithing is the under the Law. Heb 7.5 Tithing puts you under a Curse from God as you must keep all of the Law of Moses. If you don't you are put under a curse.
9. It violates the sound teaching of Jesus:- re Matt 16:24 If you want to follow after me you must deny yourself pick up your cross and follow me. If you earn a million per year and give a tenth then you clearly are Not denying yourself.
1 Tim 6:17 Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty, nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God, who gives us richly all things to enjoy. Let them do good works ready to give, willing to share, storing up for themselves a good foundation for the time to come that they may lay hold on eternal life.
Ah tithing. A subject sure and dear to the hearts of many. Strictly speaking it only means a tenth but let us examine this subject further. Christians should be encouraged to give but how much and why?
Saved by Grace:
What does this mean? Paul writes that it is the Grace of God our Father that we are saved. Not by works of man or woman but the by the Grace of God. see.Eph 2.8 This is part of the Law of Christ.
I want to introduce the most important Christian Doctrine in the New Testament after Grace. The doctrine Justification by Faith. You can Google this and get a ton of information. Basically Paul taught that by faith if we believe that Christ died for our sins and after 3 days God raised him from the dead to sit at his right hand. We must repent of our sin and ask God our Father to forgive us and to accept Jesus as our Lord and Saviour. This doctrine of faith is called Justification by Faith as an example starts with Abram. You will find it throughout the bible. ex Only the sons of Abraham by faith shall inherit the kingdom of God. Gal 3
Prior to Jesus, it was the Jewish Law that was in effect or so it appeared. Faith was still the prime force.
There was no greater Apostle than Paul about the knowledge of the law yet he preached that the gentiles were not under the law. Only under faith and grace and We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. He Never preached tithing but we are to give according to our ability. We also have other rules from Christ to follow regarding giving and living. We must give joyfully.
Then we must follow the teachings of Jesus. I will use this important doctrine later.
If it is not by faith, then it is sin. Rom 14:23
Remember: We can Never take the "I" out of sin.
At the council of Jerusalem in Act 15 it was decreed that the gentiles are not under the law and that we must remember the poor.
Here is the catch 22 of the Law.
Deut 27:26 Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them"
When I read that I run as fast as I can back to Grace. I do NOT want to be under a curse from God. No one except Jesus has kept all of the law.
Therefore you are not obligated to donate 10% under the Law. The Jews actually donated about 22%.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not be the master over you, for you are not under the law but under grace
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not be the master over you, for you are not under the law but under grace
Rom 7:6 released from the Law
Gal 5:18 If you are led by the Spirit you are not under the Law.
Gal 5:18 If you are led by the Spirit you are not under the Law.
Now we have different rules under The Law of Christ
Paul stated that we must give according to our abilities. 2 Cor 8:3
We give joyfully.
We give joyfully.
Jesus stated: If you want to follow after me you must deny your selves pick up your cross and follow me. Matthew: 16:24
also
To whom much is given, much is expected! Luke 12:48
and "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24
We must provide for our House (of Worship) and the staff. 1 Tim 5:8. We have the house where we live and a house were we worship.
and "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24
We must provide for our House (of Worship) and the staff. 1 Tim 5:8. We have the house where we live and a house were we worship.
This means some people will have to give a lot more that 10%. Some less but only what they can afford. Thus tithing violates the clear teaching of Jesus
Examples:
Remember the woman at the temple gave a few small coins but she gave all that she had. Jesus said that she gave more than the others. Luke 21: 1-4
If you earn $1 000 000. per year a tithe is $100 000. You therefore surely are not denying yourself.
If you earn $35 000. then you would be hard pressed to give more than $1500. It would be a terrible burden to give $3 500 per year and still pay your rent, food, support for foster children, ect. $40k per year is now considered the poverty level in Canada
No where in the New Testament does it tell you to tithe as it is under the Law of Moses and we are under the Law of Christ.
Heb 7:5 You Levites collect tithes under the law.
Thus, tithing is the Law and we are not under the law. Every pastor should know this and teaching this sound doctrine
Christ fulfilled the law in his flesh. Matt 5:17 Do not let people put you under a curse. Gal
Conclusion:
We must give to the church and support it. We are under Grace and not under the Law. We are under the New Covenant and NOT the Old Covenant but The Ten Commandments are still applicable.
Now what about those people who claim that we must tithe? They surely know about Grace. By telling people that they must tithe, they are making a mockery out of the Doctrine of Justification by Faith.
Why?
Consider this verse: Phil 4:19 God will provide for all of your needs according to his riches in Christ Jesus.
No. We want you to tithe (and put you under the Law and under a Curse) so that WE don't have to depend on God providing for our needs. this is Sin as if it is not by faith it is sin. This is the over whelming proof that telling people that they have to tithe is wrong.
The just shall live by Faith alone. Heb 10:38
We are not our own, we have been bought at a Price 1 Cor 6 & 7
The just shall live by Faith alone. Heb 10:38
We are not our own, we have been bought at a Price 1 Cor 6 & 7
We have gone to two local churches. They get the lower pastors to tell you to tithe. They just might lose their job if they don't. That would be another sin. Just ask "are we under Grace or the Law"? Show me in the new testament what I should give please as the Laws of Moses are now Obsolete
Remember that "all scripture is God breathed and good for teaching, rebuking and training in righteousness. 2 Tim 3:16
It is clear that Paul taught that we are under Grace and Not the Law. Paul DID NOT teach tithing. Therefore are they teaching a Different Gospel than what Paul taught? See Gal 1:8
Teaching Tithing therefore is a different Gospel putting people under the curse of the Law and not under Grace. This is a very serious error in a lot of our Churches. I wish it were NOT so.
Remember that "all scripture is God breathed and good for teaching, rebuking and training in righteousness. 2 Tim 3:16
It is clear that Paul taught that we are under Grace and Not the Law. Paul DID NOT teach tithing. Therefore are they teaching a Different Gospel than what Paul taught? See Gal 1:8
Teaching Tithing therefore is a different Gospel putting people under the curse of the Law and not under Grace. This is a very serious error in a lot of our Churches. I wish it were NOT so.
When we go to a church it becomes our house of worship. It is NOT God's house see Act 17 as He does not live in buildings built by men but he lives in US. It is our house of worship period.
In closing, tithing violates the clear teaching of Jesus and the sound doctrine of Justification by faith. Because the Apostle Paul never taught it, he taught against the law and hence against tithing. In addition it is different than the Gospel that Paul taught and we must not believe it. We have new rules in the New Covenant under Grace, freed from the Law.
In closing, tithing violates the clear teaching of Jesus and the sound doctrine of Justification by faith. Because the Apostle Paul never taught it, he taught against the law and hence against tithing. In addition it is different than the Gospel that Paul taught and we must not believe it. We have new rules in the New Covenant under Grace, freed from the Law.
IMPORTANT NOTE:
We must provide for our house of worship and the people working there or we have denied our faith. They are our gifts from God for the edification of the body. Again it is according to our abilities.
One person commented:
The present day obligatory tithe absolutely goes against God's desire for you to give. We are called to live lifestyles of giving, in all places and stetting to all people. The 10% myth sets boundaries and establishes an unhealthy "what is mine and what is God's mentality"
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